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Whilst talking with Tim yesterday, I've finalised some thoughts about where I want to be travelling, career-wise. I enjoy writing a *lot*, and I think I'm pretty good at the right sort of writing. I also want to do more music on a smaller, local community scale.

I woke up this morning with the sudden realisation that there was *possibly* an opportunity to combine both aspects into the project we currently have in hand - the next CD.

I've realised that there is *never* enough room to explain the stories behind the songs in a CD booklet, no matter how big it is. The CD we're currently working on has a LOT of stories and explanations tied up with it, not to mention the pictures and illustrations.

So, I'm idly wondering if anyone out there might be interested in buying "the book of the CD" with the stories explained, expanded, retold in prose and illustrated with both artwork and photographs? It seems to me that there are a couple of different ways to approach the problem of publishing as well, depending on how interested people were in the product - sites like Lulu.com do absolutely *beautiful* vanity published hardback and softback books in both full colour and black and white. The catch is... they're expensive. There wouldn't be much profit in this, but it would look *gorgeous* and be worth doing, I think. The other option would be the way that a standard songbook is published - good quality photocopying (or litho) and spiral/comb bound. This would be cheaper, but not such a nice product.

So, I've dipped my toe into the pool of polls, to ask for your thoughts...

Poll #1185605 Would you buy a "Behind the Music" book?
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Would you buy a "Behind the Music Book"?

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Yes
9 (56.2%)

No
0 (0.0%)

Not Sure - depends on what it was like
7 (43.8%)

What format would you prefer?

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Photocopied, spiral bound, black and white
4 (28.6%)

Vanity pressed, hard-cover, full-colour art photographs
6 (42.9%)

Vanity pressed, soft-cover, black and white
4 (28.6%)

How much would you be prepared to pay?

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£5-£10
6 (37.5%)

£10-£15
9 (56.2%)

£15 or more
1 (6.2%)

How big would you like to see it?

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25 pages or less
1 (7.1%)

50 pages or thereabouts
9 (64.3%)

100 pages or thereabouts
3 (21.4%)

100+ pages
1 (7.1%)

Comments

[info]keristor wrote:
May. 10th, 2008 11:04 am (UTC)
I assume you mean "price for just the book", rather than "price for book and CD".

How much I'm willing to pay depends on both the format and the size, of course. I actually wanted a preference list for the format (mine is "hardcover full colour > softcover b/w") but the size is "how much material do you have?" And the price varies from a s/c with 25 pages (5-10 pounds) to a h/c with 100+ pages which would be easily worth over 15 pounds. (And if you did both h/c and s/c then I might well be interested in buying both, the s/c as a "reading copy" because it travels better; I point this out to all authors I know.)

(I have now just spent an interesting hour or so perusing the Lulu site. Prices are a lot more reasonable than I'd expected...)
[info]pbristow wrote:
May. 10th, 2008 11:10 am (UTC)
Where's my option for "37-and-a-half pages exactly"? =:o}

Seriously, I'd buy a photocopied booklet for, say 3 quid (budget at the time permitting), but I'd *rather* buy a neat little hardbacked thing that sits perfectly alongside the CD on the shelf / in the rack so that I never lose it. That probably sets the limit on the number of pages as well as the size of them.

Have you considered selling the CD as a double-CD sized pack, with the CD and book together? Then you could get away with a soft cover rather than hardback, as the box will protect it. The cover should be full colour and complement the CD cover/box design, but internally B&W would be fine, perhaps with a full colour centrefold. (No, not *that* kind of centrefold! Well, not unless you want to... =;o} )

And I'm saying all this with no idea what the actual content will be, which is daft. Except that it'll be you guys, so maybe not. =:o}
[info]grey_lady wrote:
May. 10th, 2008 11:20 am (UTC)
Something the size of a CD case seems a bit fiddly - on the other hand, something the size of a DVD case could open up possibilities.
[info]msminlr wrote:
May. 10th, 2008 12:34 pm (UTC)
I like the idea of something that sets next to the CD case; what about doing the book as an electronic version ON a second CD, either in a double case with the music CD or on its own?
[info]billroper wrote:
May. 10th, 2008 01:48 pm (UTC)
I didn't answer the poll, because I couldn't figure out how to. But I do have a couple of comments.

Tony Fabris did an absolutely gorgeous one-off photographic songbook for Thirteen for the Interfilk auction at FKO. It sold for more than $500. But I wouldn't take that as the baseline, since it was a unique item. :)

Printing is stupidly expensive, as I'm sure you've discovered. My brother-in-law has done a lot of work with Lulu and likes them quite a bit, but a full-color photographic book is going to be very expensive.

Is there any value to putting this on the web as a marketing piece rather than trying to sell it? Is the CD going to have a wide enough appeal that a marketing effort of this kind would make sense?

As I said, just thinking here. But it certainly sounds cool!
[info]keristor wrote:
May. 11th, 2008 09:06 pm (UTC)
Lulu's printing isn't all that expensive. I ran a whole load of numbers through their online calculator, and a 350 page trade b/w p/b (much bigger than Annie's thinking about) came out at around 11 pounds (plus shipping) in small quantities. That's comparable to prices in bookstores in the UK for that size. Yes, full colour h/c is more expensive (around 35 pounds), but again not much more than for the same thing professionally published in the UK (heck, most computing softcovers, like the O'Reilly series, these days are over 30 pounds, and they are b/w).

From what she said, I don't see it as a marketing thing. I doubt that anyone would buy the CD because of the book. What some of us who buy CDs want, however, is the book which explains the songs, especially songs with stories, and that's what I see this idea as.
[info]stevieannie wrote:
May. 12th, 2008 10:02 am (UTC)
Yup, exactly what you said in the last paragraph there. I will, of course, have a certain amount of information available on the web - but what I envision this book being is a companion piece which draws together a lot more of our creative urges - Tim isn't a writer, and never has been, but as a visual artist he's really, REALLY good - but there just isn't much of a way for that to show through on a CD. Ditto with my prose writing - I enjoy it a lot, but don't get the option to do much with it these days.

The songs I write usually have a LOT of layers and background history which I don't have time to explore, I'm thinking that this project might give me the chance to do that... Hmmm.. Anyway, thanks a lot for your input - I need to go and plot'n'plan!

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